pros & cons
jelly_tot04: pros & cons
What is your view?
There is no 'BASW College of SW...'
Unison for me. Not impressed with the behaviour of BASW of late.
Certainly a lot of Professional Cons floating round the Toilet bowl of this Association/College/Union busted flush.
Didn't say there was, i simply forgot to put a comma after BASW but any person of sound mind would have realised that
are you always this anal?
as for the person who asked me what my views are, well i'm not overly impressed with BASW or UNISON & I dont know much about College of SW thats why i'm asking for people's opinions, do you have one?
Go the respective websites and find out! Duh!!!
Rupert M: Go the respective websites and find out! Duh!!!
are you always this rude?
hope you talk to your service users a bit better than you talk to folk on here
jelly_tot04: Rupert M: Go the respective websites and find out! Duh!!! are you always this rude? hope you talk to your service users a bit better than you talk to folk on here
Match made in heaven;hope you will both be very happy together.
I am retired - when working I tended to use a bit of initiative!
Try this http://www.cosw.name
The articles below might also shed some light on past and contemporary pros and cons.
BASW in talks with Unison over stronger links2009-05-06http://www.communitycare.co.uk/Articles/06/05/2009/111481/basw-in-talks-with-unison-over-stronger-links.htmBASW ditches plan for joint membership scheme with Unison2010-02-26""We were looking at a joint membership that would give people £100 off, [full fee = £213] but we couldn't arrive at a figure that was satisfactory to both parties," he said."http://www.communitycare.co.uk/Articles/2010/02/26/113926/basw-ditches-plan-for-joint-membership-scheme-with-unison.htm
Fast forward to 2011 and a similar 50/50% is represented as a 'closed shop' by a Conservative MP:
"Helga Pile: The assumptions that are being worked on at the moment are to have a roughly 50/50 split, but as I say, that has not been through our governance processes yet so it is still to be finalised. The existing members of Unison are going to pay £60 to the College. "http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmeduc/uc1630-i/uc163001.htm
PS
Should BASW forge closer links with a union?http://www.communitycare.co.uk/carespace/forums/should-basw-forge-closer-links-with-a-union-3f00-248.aspx
Just wondering if there is another party in the Government/College /Unison alliance?
I read BASW criticisms of Community Care "bias" in reporting, and I can see what they mean, but didn't want to be too subjective.
However, I just hit on another conspiracy theory;
Community Care has just stopped producing a hard copy magazine.
Community Care has a partnership with Unison in part of its website and venture
The College of Social Work has promised to produce a magazine/Journal ( just like BASWs) and don't appear to have the logistics in place for that yet despite it's first copy being due in 8 weeks time if the College launches on 1st January.
Community Care has the printing infrastructure and capacity and staff, which are no longer going to be utilised after the last hard copy of Community Care.
Has The College had an ongoing deal with Community Care to produce the College Magazine? ..In which case printing stories showing the College in a bad light and jeapordising their start date and partnership would jeopordise Community Care's business plan for the next twelve months as well.
Is it a coincidence that CC stops it hard copy issues the month before the college starts?
Is it coincidence that if BASW and the College had merged before the College Launch, the integration of BASWs magazine editorial staff and publishing functions would be hard to avoid, and foul up any (hypothetical) deal with Community Care?
Surely I must be dreaming? Of course there is no "old boys" network carving up the world against the small guy!! Hush my mouth!
And watch this space????
I think The College put out tenders for College Journals and Magazines, as well as tenders for research on a membership magazine. CommuityCare is part of massive Corporation Reed, so is not short of a few pennies. Many newspapers are highly reliant upon an online presence as much as or more than physical copy IE Guardian and newspapers likes the Independent and the Times are running at a loss, which has led to pay-to-view models.
CommunityCare revenue is mostly going to come from advertising and particularly it's Job section, so in terms of Editorial policy I would imagine keeping advertisers sweet is key.
Many people no longer bother with Newspapers, save for those freebies, I think ComCare is just reflecting the trend away from Printed Media, online stuff allows and Publisher to track and monitor it's users and more easily monetize services, this follows business model in the Social Media IE: Free but gets revenue via advertising and the selling of user data.
Hmm, OK...ish.
I'm not sure that Reid does that well in the current economic climate, and adverising revenue is one of the first things that goes in a recession, especially in the public and voluntary sector.
Any idea when the tenders for magazine went out ?
I imagine that ( assuming for a minute the master 100% Unison members plan had gone ahead fine and worked) 40,000-plus hard copies of a full colour magazine every month would be the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, even for Reid, in this climate?
But I don't want to be dogmatic, so I suppose time will reveal all?
" be the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow," ......OK..a bit of an exageration....but...
REED is enormous and print media advertsing has gone down, more money now spent for online advertising than ever before. REED UK is also a massive Recruitment Agency.
One example of a REED company
The world's leading events organiser, with 2,400 employees in 37 offices serving 52 industries worldwidehttp://www.reedbusiness.com/global/index.asp?layout=gbl_inside&articleid=CA298594
Magazine Journal tendering was months ago via TCSW, as with lots of opportunities I am sure BASW submitted tender applications...
Ok I concede! So Reid is no more dependent upon that contract than Unison is on the relative handful of members ( compared to its overall size) that the college allliance will bring.
Lots of emotion about though.....must be altruistic passion !
( like ours?
I can't resist it!... Someone just said that Reid is big because it is ruthless and chops titles that can't do more than "wash their face" it doesn't carry or subsidise them.
So I suppose the position is more the viability of CC alone than the group which owns it...?
Now...I must to work!!
Reed are much better than Reid.
I would help if I could remember what I Read!!
Should be 'read' Silver Sage - just a bit of grammatical assistance.
PUBLICATION OF CORRESPONDENCE
THE COLLEGE OF SOCIAL WORK
The Education Committee is today publishing its correspondence with the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Children and Families, Tim Loughton MP, relating to the new College of Social Work.
The Committee took oral evidence on the College on 8 November and wrote to the Minister immediately following the session to raise some concerns about the development and reputation of the College. The Minister’s response is published today, along with the Committee’s letter.
The correspondence can be read on the Committee’s website alongside the written evidence submitted for the hearing, at: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmeduc/writev/1630/1630.pdf
You trying to make me see red?
From the evidence Helga Pile gave to the select committee Unison at best are expecting no more than 10,000 joining in first year. Clearly not all BASW members would want to join again at most 10,000. Both organisations are needed for TCSW to be viableonce the governments 5 million runs out. It is essential that it attracts social workers from other unions and those who do not belong to unions or BASW. There must be a fairer way of setting membership fees than currently set out in the MOU with Unison.
Long Tooth: From the evidence Helga Pile gave to the select committee Unison at best are expecting no more than 10,000 joining in first year. Clearly not all BASW members would want to join again at most 10,000. Both organisations are needed for TCSW to be viableonce the governments 5 million runs out. It is essential that it attracts social workers from other unions and those who do not belong to unions or BASW. There must be a fairer way of setting membership fees than currently set out in the MOU with Unison.
Yes the fees are an interesting curiosity, especially when considered against BASW previous failed attempt at a very similar deal with UNISON.BASW ditches plan for joint membership scheme with Unison2010-02-26""We were looking at a joint membership that would give people £100 off, [full fee = £213] but we couldn't arrive at a figure that was satisfactory to both parties," he said."http://www.communitycare.co.uk/Articles/2010/02/26/113926/basw-ditches-plan-for-joint-membership-scheme-with-unison.htm
So if the fees issues are satisfied to BASW liking does that mean that they then do not care about the lack of Tendering for £5 million, but will be just glad to share the Pie. or is ethics and principles relative to outcome aka Ends justify means?
I look forward to reading more on BASW's Judicial Review threat, as I have more faith in the Judiciary than all of the vested interests being played out.
Seems like BASWs response to requests to keep matters Private, was to announce the Judicial Review threat, after the joyous Select Committee meeting.
Ministers defend College of Social Work/ers Union Tie-up (stitch up)?http://www.communitycare.co.uk/Articles/2011/11/29/117831/ministers-defend-college-of-social-works-tie-up-with-unison.html
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Private Endeavour...wasnt he in It Aint Half Hot Mum????
Bilko alawys had some good ideas on how to make the best out of the union of those trained for the front line, against the tyranny of the bosses...
You're showing your age...er pedigree mentioning Bilko....who reminds me of someone supposedly in social work....a new scam every day...without the humour, wit and humanity........what's his name...you know.....don't worry it'll come to me..........
Sociable Workers loudly speak out in unison.
JoSoPhine: Deleted due Godwin's Law risks..
Deleted due Godwin's Law risks..
Was it about H Doberman?
LOL.....best post award goes to.....Wile E. Shirack...but it certainly wasn't Adolf
I have the memory of a fish, but I recollect the word for leader Germinated somewhere in my unconscious.
JoSoPhine: I have the memory of a fish, but I recollect the word for leader Germinated somewhere in my unconscious.
Phew.
JoSoPhine: REED is enormous and print media advertsing has gone down, more money now spent for online advertising than ever before. REED UK is also a massive Recruitment Agency. One example of a REED company The world's leading events organiser, with 2,400 employees in 37 offices serving 52 industries worldwidehttp://www.reedbusiness.com/global/index.asp?layout=gbl_inside&articleid=CA298594 Magazine Journal tendering was months ago via TCSW, as with lots of opportunities I am sure BASW submitted tender applications...
Reed Elsevier (publishing) is a different enormous group from Reed Global (recruitment)
hrothgar: Reed Elsevier (publishing) is a different enormous group from Reed Global (recruitment)
Thanks I can see how easy it is to get very confused about names that are very similar, such as
BASW - College of Social Workhttp://www.collegeofsocialwork.org.uk
http://www.facebook.com/baswthecollegeofsocialworkCollege of Social Work Ltd
&
The College of Social Work (TCSW)http://www.collegeofsocialwork.org/College of Social Workers LtdTCSW Ltd
What's in a name