"It is interesting that everyone who signed this letter personally profits from keeping disabled people second class citizens at the mercy of professionals and families for their existence. This is the list of the right wing army that has already destroyed independent living and brought the revival of profit making workhouses into reality. If disabled people are only portrayed as vulnerable worthless objects of pity who is the public property of anyone who wishes to abuse them, where empowerment is outlawed to protect middle class jobs, then the white paper is a death sentence to all but the most vocal disabled people."
Could not have said it any better myself
Who did say it? Was it the College of Social Work who apparently didn't sign it? (Though most of us apparently stupidly thought we were reading a letter demanding better care for the vulnerable...)
PS Why is your icon/avatar looking so NOT miserable..is it irony?
Silver Sage: PS Why is your icon/avatar looking so NOT miserable..is it irony?
Silver Sage, do you think your avatar looks like your username?
You may notice that I havn't selected one. Those of you who have presumably have done so for a reason.....sorry to patronise, but I would have thought this was obvious?
eg.You may be interpreted as presenting yourself as a fragile pretty female butterfly.
But I was talking to miserableiam...so I wonder why I press your buttons so much?
Please don't let this turn into a row. Thanks
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simeon3: Please don't let this turn into a row. Thanks
Sorry..you are right...so does anyone know who is being quoted in the opening post of this thread? It seems by the title to be used as another stick to beat BASW with so it might be hard not to drift into the area of "heated debate" but I think the source of the quote is a legitimate request?
People start off having a conversation about a topic that presumably interests them; just like you would in the office. (If you had the time) Then people go off on tangents, just like the office.
Not getting at Simeon but sanitising the discussion turns it in to robot chat, which makes it much less appealing to humans and is likely to lead to diminishing appeal of the forum.
Can't see the harm in a bit of banter myself, helps you get to know the other posters and brings a sense of reality to discussions.
Presumably CC has a plan about how the forum should progress; my view is that plan is unrealistic and will drive away the more colourfull personalities.
Really wonder why a social work forum, given the nature of the job, should be governed by the easily offended.
Has the footfall reduced of late? or is it just my imagination.
Good Grief!
I am sure with your motivation to uncover hidden intentions and supposed attacks on the venerable BASW you have the means to find out Silver Sage but I'll nudge you along the way by tantalising you with the snippet that it's the comment of a "vulnerable" person well known for their advocacy for disability rights.
I'm afraid you overestimate my motivation, affiliations, resouces, and encyclopedic knowledge....
And possibly everyone else's judging by the "on topic" responses to this thread?
It's your prerogative if you don't want to reference a quote that you found important enough to base a new thread on.
You only started posting about a month ago but it's still taken me a while to recognise your style of flirting repartee ...
Silver Sage: I'm afraid you overestimate my motivation, affiliations, resouces, and encyclopedic knowledge.... And possibly everyone else's judging by the "on topic" responses to this thread? It's your prerogative if you don't want to reference a quote that you found important enough to base a new thread on. You only started posting about a month ago but it's still taken me a while to recognise your style of flirting repartee ...
Silver Sage, you're not pushing my buttons (no way) and I'm not looking for a row, and yes, I'm going off topic, but why is it all about flirtation with you? and I bet you look nothing like Snoopy.
In a similar situation I might situation start with the said newspaper letters page.
" All about Flirtation"???? Thought it was the first time I had ever been that creative! Ah...but you can say that because you don't need to reference or evidence anything you post do you?
Anyhow..me and Snoopy share a common interest!
My evidence base can be referenced on your posts on the;
Community Care predicts CoSW, BASW thread.
miserableiam: In a similar situation I might situation start with the said newspaper letters page.
Ah, thanks. Given how he makes his living @£400 per day though, I can see why Mr Stevens didn't sign the letter himself, in anticipation of how he was going to criticise those who did.I suppose there is a difference between being in what he defined as"The Army" and selling your services to it as a mercenary. ( whether you are " vulnerable" or not)
I was a struggling a bit to think of how any organisation which has to pay staff salaries, or even have a budget to rent the occasional meeting room or post a letter, can avoid being accused of profiting from the problem it exists to address.
This is not an attack on Mr Stevens, and I do think his letter draws attention to the syndrome which occurs when any organisation or charity very rapidly adopts a primary imperative of the survival of the organisation and the business which it is there to conduct becomes secondary.
It is also a little indecent that the heads and senior staff of these bodies are high enough to become almost "Grace and Favour" government rewards for their favoured supporters, or from governance boards consisting of like for like associates of the appointee.
So I absolutely see where both he and you are coming from. I just can't see how you/we can legislate excorcise that ugly phenonenon from the sociology of organisational structures, in either a capitalist or socialist economy.
Thats not to say accept it. Perhaps opposition and criticism, plays a part in limiting it and provoking occasional "clean-outs"
If it is present in BASW or the College, I would encourage members to demand accountability and changes....but what can be done about government-established or sponsored charities, and Local Authority Departments is more of a challenge.
redana: My evidence base can be referenced on your posts on the; Community Care predicts CoSW, BASW thread.
"Just wanted to make sure this point wasn't missed in the midst of that romantic interlude(!!??)"
Do you mean this?....my ironic reference to the exchange about previous accusations of "intellectual masturbation"?
Well....ok then...cheerfully withdrawn!....everything is about flirtation with me then! Never posted a serious comment in my life.
(Sorry Simeon, I will be good from now on and not fight.....Oh,and this is not flirting with you!!)
Shirack, I am confused. Given that you never tire of hectoring students for asking for answers as opposed to doing the graft, bringing in poor Mr Falk seems a little bit odd. In any case dear PF is happily wallowing in the Wings of Desire