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Mature and Experienced Students

Last post 07-14-2008 6:11 PM by alib. 9 replies.
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  • 07-08-2008 4:23 PM

    • Mazz
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    Mature and Experienced Students

    My husband is to start the Social Work Degree in September. He has been a Manager for many years in residential child care (previously his existing qualifications were seen as appropriate), is a graduate already, qualified nurse and management trained etc. Currently he is working as an Assistant Social Worker in Foster Care wanting a change of direction. With two sons at Uni / mortgage etc, we cannot afford for him to give up work and so he is going to study part-time, but this is going to take 6 years!!! The only credit he will receive is for Sociology (1 module) as he has a degree in Sociology and Social Policy. I think this is unfair and that people with relevant and extensive experience should be given more credit. I qualified some years ago and have an MA and DipSW. Comparing the syllabus with mine, I am not particularly impressed. As manager myself, I find the newly qualified SW's with the degree, much less well prepared than those who came in with DipSW and CQSW. 

    Any comments or ideas to assist my other half would be much appreciated? 

  • 07-08-2008 4:44 PM In reply to

    Re: Mature and Experienced Students

    I have heard many times before that people are finding Social Workers with the new degree are much less prepared/ experienced/ knowledgable etc, but I have to ask why??

    In the new degree, you cover all the same subject areas as the DIPSW, but in more depth, AND you have more time in placement. How can this possibly leave you less well prepared?

    Maybe you have just not had a good experience with a newly qualified worker, but please do not tar all with the same brush.

  • 07-08-2008 9:12 PM In reply to

    • suzie_380
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    Re: Mature and Experienced Students

    Hi Mazz

    as your OH is already a graduate, would he not find it more suitable to do a MA Social Work?

    An MA may be a quicker route and most Uni's offer it at part time also.

    I have just finished my degree and being a mature student with a family and household costs, I understand where you are coming from.

    Sue

    xx

     

    "aequam memento rebus in arduis servare mentem"
  • 07-08-2008 9:35 PM In reply to

    Re: Mature and Experienced Students

    And then after all your experience you compete with people who have hardly any but they have a PQ.

    I went self employed working for a lot less than I would get but my boss [ head teacher] is fantastic and lets me be imaginative and creative.

    In teaching years of experience are taken into account our social work world is just frankly mad

    lets get social workers into schools and get that soap.
  • 07-09-2008 9:19 AM In reply to

    • Mazz
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    Re: Mature and Experienced Students

    You may be right about not having a good experience. I have interviewed 3 times in the past year and was very disappointed in the responses/presentations from the NQW's, the theory seems to be there, but not the reality. Eventually I did take one on and am regretting it almost daily.

  • 07-09-2008 11:38 AM In reply to

    • lizzer
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    Re: Mature and Experienced Students

    as a mature soon to be third year student i feel quite demoralised when i read a lot that NQSW are not up to the job. it makes me wonder if this is all worth it; the stress, the lack of money etc just to be not good enough. can anyone suggest how i can make up for what the degree will not give me? 

  • 07-09-2008 3:01 PM In reply to

    • tykechick
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    Re: Mature and Experienced Students

    Hi I completed by social work degree a year ago. I found the degree very intensive and felt that the 200 days of placement gave me new experiences and taught me things that the classroom based teaching didn’t. I feel that I would have not benefited as much from the shorter placements available through the DIPSW as the client engagement would have been on a shorter term basis. I started my degree at 18 and the majority of people on our course were mature students. I feel that learning with the mature students enhanced my development as a social worker during my degree. To get accepted on a Social Work degree you are required to have certain levels of experience and academic ability. We work very hard to gain this knowledge and experience whatever age we are. Newly qualified Social Workers have met their key roles and been signed off as competent to work with service users at the end of their degree therefore should be given the same opportunities in gaining employment in the field.

     

  • 07-10-2008 6:35 PM In reply to

    Re: Mature and Experienced Students

    You should not be too despondent about these comments. I qualified 26 years ago and had the feeling then that my course had not prepared me for the job. We are all guilty of having a rosy view of our training eventually and it would not surprise me if at some point you also felt that colleagues who qualified after you had shortcomings too. Most social workers are jaded by the many seemingly pointless changes to our work and it becomes easier to blame each other for this than really addressing the issues that are more about organizational change than poor training. That’s not to say that the new Degree does not have its problematic aspects but the course is what it is and you can only study what you are taught. I think qualified staff have a moral and professional responsibility to induct NQSWs and hope that you end up in a team which embraces this.
  • 07-10-2008 7:26 PM In reply to

    • cb
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    Re: Mature and Experienced Students

    I agree with Nihat in that teams have a responsibility to assist, induct and continue the development of newly qualified social workers - it's the way that I got through things at the start - I had a very supportive team. I also think that current social workers have a responsibility to provide strong and supportive placements. Without the quality placements, newly qualified social workers will be less well prepared than otherwise. 

    The qualification though, is a platform where the learning starts to be honest - and is best viewed as such. But a team gains a great deal from having newly qualified staff and being supportive as a group. 

  • 07-14-2008 6:11 PM In reply to

    • alib
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    Re: Mature and Experienced Students

    I completed an MA in Social Work last year as a mature student.  The MA is a 2 year course rather than 3 years.  Experience counts for more when recruiting for these courses (given that my first degree is in music).  There were many mature students on the course (in fact they were the majority).  I was sponsored by my local authority which means I am tied to them for employment for 2 years but they paid me a salary while I was training and all the fees.  Find out from your local authority if they run such a scheme.

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