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Last post 07-04-2008 9:30 PM by donnyman. 5 replies.
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  • 06-26-2008 9:45 PM

    • donnyman
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    Registered Managers

    Hi,

    I have just joined carespace and was wondering if there were any other Registered Managers of residential establishments out there.

    There are lots of issues which we must all face whilst carrying out this role which could be discussed / debated.

    Safe guarding adults / mental capacity act / AQQA assessments / role of CSCI etc.

    I work with elderly residents with learning disabilities so issues such as Valuing People / person centred care / modernisation of day care services could also be considered.

    I am open for possible suggestions for other topics. 

  • 06-27-2008 1:03 PM In reply to

    Re: Registered Managers

    Hi Donnyman:

    I'm not a 'registered manager', but I do provide support to people who are. And I'm sure there are also other people here who work direclty in the provision of services. Most posts seem to generate some interest, so I'd just go ahead and start a conversation on one of the issues you are thinking of. Personally, you'll find me most interested in contributing to conversations about how to make things better for people using services. I'm sure I'd like to know what issues you face with the last three topics you mention.

    Hope to hear more from you soon.

  • 07-02-2008 9:36 PM In reply to

    • donnyman
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    Re: Registered Managers

    Hi RobertW

    Thanks for the reply

    In terms of the role which I carry out we (the establishment) are constantly striving to be "person centred", however in a residential setting there always going to be limitations as to how far we can go in achieving this.

    All our residents have annual person centred reviews facilitated by a trained facilitator who is skilled in developing an action plan which is appropriate to the residents needs. Goals and targets are set which quite often are unrealistic in a setting where the actions or needs of one person can have a profound effect on other people who use the service.

    As an example if a resident states that they want to play loud music at all hours of the day and night under the principles of person centered care we should enable them to do this, however obviously this can be detrimental to the lifes of other people who live at the establishment.We would obviously aim to come up with a compromise situation such as using headphones but if the person refused to do so then the plan would not be able to be actioned. This a simplistic example but highlights the kind of issues which can occur when individuals live together in a group setting.

    Other issues which occur include lack of funding / resources to meet plans such as residents wishing to go on expensive holidays where staff support is required. Limitations will always be there on budgets which establishments have and these then have to be used to the best advantage of the group rather then the individual. Staffing levels are usually set at minimum levels so resources have to effectively managed to enable the establishment to be covered and this in turn will limit staff availability to provide holiday escorts.

    My role requires me to be as innovative as possible in how I manage my allocated budget but as innovative as I can be there will always be some limits due to funding and resource allocation.

    DonnyMan

  • 07-03-2008 1:03 PM In reply to

    Re: Registered Managers

    DonnyMan

    One major part of my work is to provide consultancy/training/support about this (person-centred planning, person-centred approaches to service provision, and helping organisations move from service-centred to person-centred). What you say captures the big question which I'm asked over and over about person-centred planning. There are some really big answers in response - which I hope you and others might find helpful - but writing them down in a decent way will take a little time. There is a way through though. And it isn't about more resources. Nor is it about being "more realistic" with people. And it does recognise that some of what gets done in the name of 'person-centred planning' is wrong (wrong as in harmful to the person on the receiving end - like asking people what they really want and then failing completely to deliver it - or asking people what they really want and then delivering something tokenistic).

    I'll be back at some point over the next few days...

    Robert

  • 07-04-2008 4:22 PM In reply to

    Re: Registered Managers

    OK, here goes. I wanted to write a proper response on this issue because I have the opportunity to respond to it so often on training courses – and I think I know some of what to say that people find helpful. I've tried to do that here, and I hope people can appreciate that if I say things in a way that grates or irritates then that might be because I'm attempting to cover what I think are hugely complicated issues in a small enough number of words (and finding that hard to do).

    I think that lots of people (incorrectly) think that person-centred planning, and person-centred care work as follows:

    Firstly, we ask people what they want in their life. We might ask them what their dreams for their life are. Then we write this down, give it to those responsible for organising services, and we/they try to make a plan for how these services are going to respond. In doing so we/they try to balance budgets, staffing, the needs of other residents (etc) and so on.


    I think that inevitably what we get when we do this are all sorts of things which are difficult to respond to. Person A might like playing loud music even through it upsets everyone else in the residential establishment. Person B wants a holiday to Florida, but we don't have the money or staff to provide this for them. Person C wants to spend 6 months of the year living in Spain – which is simply not within our power.

    But when we do this kind of thing the issues aren't just about the budget and staffing. There's another huge issue about whether it is right to ask someone to spend time dreaming about something they will never get.

    Sometimes, of course, a process like this is quite useful. For instance it leads us to get some headphones for Person A. Person B gets included on the weekend trip to the seaside, which they really enjoy. And a helpful member of staff brings in some old Spanish language tapes for Person C

    But the real thing – real person-centred planning and support and care – aren't anything like this.

    I've tried to work out different ways to say this. I could write more sensitively I suppose – something about how in my humble opinion there are some interesting differences between this and person-centred planning as I understand it was originally envisaged - but I tried that earlier today and it took me a whole side of A4 typing to say the same thing as takes one sentence here. The differences between person-centred planning as I understand it, and much of what I see being called person-centred planning, are so huge, and so fundamental, that I can't think of a better way to express myself than to call one 'real person-centred planning'. If someone can tell me how to say this more sensitively then I'm all ears.

    With 'real' person-centred planning I think there are some really significant differences to the scenario I've given. The first difference is that the point of the exercise isn't to produce a written document. We all know that handing a service provider a document saying that Person B wants a holiday in Florida is pretty pointless.

    Real person-centred centred planning starts from the assumption that there are some things that service-providers are always going to struggle with (given their existing design). Because of this it does its best to bring non-service-people into the equation. If person B is ever going to get a holiday in Florida, then it'll be through ordinary non-service people. Of course this raises a big question – who are these non-service-people?

    Person-centred planning was created by people who believe that real inclusion is possible. They believe that people who need support – even people who need lots of support – can be connected in the world. They believe that it isn't inevitable that the only people who have strong personal (as opposed to friendly-professional) connections with them will be one or two close relatives, or the one real friend at the day centre. They believe that people can be connected in through ordinary relationships to ordinary people (not meaning 'volunteers' by the way).

    But even if we can do this Florida still seems unrealistic doesn't it? After all, 'Joan' might not even survive a trip on an aeroplane, and Jack is simply too challenging?

    Real person-centred planning does something very special. It sets up an environment of really deep trust, where people can talk about what's really genuinely of importance to them. When we do this very few people talk about a holiday in Florida or playing their music loudly. Person A is more likely to speak about how lonely he is, and how lovely it would be to get back to having a life like when he was in a rock band. Person B will say she just wants to be free from pain, and that she'd really like a man (like she's seen on pictures of Florida). Person C will talk about wanting to feel whole.

    These things aren't in our power to deliver. BUT that misses the point. Clearly it will never be possible to 'provide' someone with friends and a rock band, or a man, or the feeling of 'being whole'. But it is possible that if we work out a way to provide very different kinds of support – support to become more connected - we will be able to help people (with some of their allies) to genuinely work towards these things.

    Of course, to do this takes a good deal of time, imagination, people, and so on. Not least of the problems is that the kind of person-centred planning I'm talking about is a challenging and powerful beast – something that can't be delivered to a timetable (once a year for every service-user would be completely unattainable – and completely undesirable – for instance).

    Where does this leave you, DonnyMan, as a manager? I think in some difficulty. Your role, one way or another, is going to be to run the establishment pretty much as you do already. Whether because of being part of a local authority, or through funding, that's what you are paid to do. As you've identified, it simply isn't possible for an establishment set up to house a group of people together to be 'person-centred'. That's not to say that you can't run an absolutely top-class service, in which those that use it are deeply respected by the staff, and in which a huge amount of imagination goes into juggling the needs of different people. But person-centred support simply doesn't start by bringing together a group of people because they are seen to share the same 'needs'.  

    At this point many people throw up their hands in horror and say: "Well in an ideal world maybe, but in the world as it is just now the best way we have found to plan services for groups of people like this is to do what we do just now."
    They conclude that person-centred planning is simply too idealistic, and that the best we can do is to take what we can from it and discard the rest. The best we can do is to work out how to be a bit more respectful in delivering and organising our service-centred services.

    I disagree. Instead I'd say: We know that for the moment we're stuck with the way things are. We know that society rejects and isolates certain people. We know that some of what we do for people is really good. We also know that for many people the way we organise to help them just isn't right, and is sometimes worse than that. We know that many isolated and excluded people aren't really helped much by us bringing them together and putting them with other people who are seen to "have the same needs".

    I'd say: What would happen if from this group we took one person at a time, one by one over many years, and spent some extra time on working in a very different way with them? What would happen if we could work out a way to (re)connect each of these individual people with a whole load of ordinary people in their community? What would happen if each time we did that we found a really powerful way to help the person to ask their friends and community for some help?

    That's what I see person-centred planning as enabling us to do. But it isn't a magical tool – it's a very human one. Getting it to work well isn't a matter of a good implementation plan, or some excellent staff training. It's going to take much more than that, and it will be difficult.

  • 07-04-2008 9:30 PM In reply to

    • donnyman
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    Re: Registered Managers

    Hi RobertW

    I was really interested to read your response and the way you describe "real person centred planning". As you say my role as manager is a constant juggling act of individual needs and aspirations as well as resources /needs of the resident group etc.

    There is in my view no easy answer to achieving "real" person centred care when we are constantly battling against red tape and legislation in a world where every action we take is subject to scrutiny and associated paperwork etc. Where as, we used to be spontaneous in carrying out certain actions we now find that everything has to have associated risk assessments etc.

    It is about changing culture which is probably one of the most difficult things to achieve given the current climate where people are afraid to take risks in case there is any comeback.

    I for one will always try to be innovative and challenge convention where appropriate.

    DonnyMan 

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